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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #60 on: 12 Jun 2018 4:20:21 PM »
I demand we restart the draft!

or just carry on...whichever you guys prefer

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #61 on: 12 Jun 2018 4:22:20 PM »
Two options.... anyone got a coin?

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #62 on: 12 Jun 2018 5:19:01 PM »
and what rule is causing all this drama ....................  never mind.

Sorry, couldn't resist.



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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #63 on: 12 Jun 2018 6:19:25 PM »
Was there drama? I just thought it was a bunch of guys that have known each other, at least virtually, for years working through the ramifications of a trial run of a rules adjustment.

I must have misunderstood.  ;)
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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #64 on: 12 Jun 2018 8:10:17 PM »
Because, Scot, any member of the EC could also do the following:

You propose a trade to me for a pick my pick.

I don't approve it, but I let it sit.

The player I want gets selected just ahead of me.

I don't validate it yet.  Instead, I agree to your proposal and PM another EC member to validate it.

But the timestamp of the pick is earlier than the timestamp of your proposal. That means the trade is null and void according to Scot's proposal as I understand it. The fact that the pick has not yet been validated is irrelevant.

Essentially, there seem to be two choices here:

1) The timestamp that matters is when the EC acts (the current setup, by and large). That means that the EC moving particularly slowly or quickly impacts the outcome.
2) The timestamp that matters is when the owners act (Scot's proposal). That means that the EC moving particularly slowly or quickly has no impact on the outcome.

I would agree with Scot that the latter is preferable. I really don't see any drawback. How can that lead to accusations of the EC abusing its power when that essentially takes all power to affect trades away from the EC?

And, yes, you have a point that the ability of owners to revoke a trade even after the other team has approved it as long as the EC has not confirmed undermines some of this logic. My rebuttal to that: why is that even possible? If I propose a trade and the other team confirms it, why do I have any option to back out as long as I get to it before the EC does? Shouldn't it be a done deal unless the EC determines it violates a rule or is otherwise unable to be validated?

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #65 on: 12 Jun 2018 11:31:43 PM »
With pick 2.13, the Cubs select Jeremy Eierman, SS, Missouri State.

Sorry for the delay, folks - Iím on vacation in the Tennessee Smokey Mountains, and time and a good internet connection have been hard to come by.

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #66 on: 12 Jun 2018 11:34:17 PM »
A very nice pick by the Cubs!!  I was hoping Eierman might fall to me in the 3rd, and had even considered trading up for him.

I've seen him play a few times.  REALLY strong arm for plays in the hole, and more than just a fair amount of pop in his bat.

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #67 on: 13 Jun 2018 8:39:57 AM »
To answer your question Chris...

I think it's more of a checks and balances thing for the trades as opposed to the EC being overly judicious. ( I think in my entire 17 years here, there was only 1 trade disallowed)

It's more to prevent the accidental acceptance of a trade...which happens all the time.

That's generally not a big deal in a player for player swap...but in a pick swap...and then that pick made (and possibly more) it's a bit more legwork.
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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #68 on: 13 Jun 2018 1:22:08 PM »
Sorry for taking so long.

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #69 on: 13 Jun 2018 2:39:33 PM »
To answer your question Chris...

I think it's more of a checks and balances thing for the trades as opposed to the EC being overly judicious. ( I think in my entire 17 years here, there was only 1 trade disallowed)

It's more to prevent the accidental acceptance of a trade...which happens all the time.

That's generally not a big deal in a player for player swap...but in a pick swap...and then that pick made (and possibly more) it's a bit more legwork.

As an EC member in another league who's been accused of stealing a pick, automation and strict deadlines are wonderful. It's incredibly exhausting and upsetting to spend countless hours volunteering to make things run only for some a-hole to make an accusation (vociferously or flippantly) without merit. The more you can avoid even the slightest possibility of impropriety, the better for your stress level and enjoyment of the game.

Just trade your picks earlier is all.

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #70 on: 13 Jun 2018 3:07:38 PM »
Sorry for taking so long.

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #71 on: 13 Jun 2018 4:00:28 PM »
Jackson Kowar must be quite the prospect. He has now been selected twice!
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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #72 on: 13 Jun 2018 4:03:47 PM »
Jackson Kowar must be quite the prospect. He has now been selected twice!
Three times :)
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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #73 on: 13 Jun 2018 4:41:08 PM »
EC is aware of the issue with Orioles pick 2.16 and will update with a replacement pick as soon as we have it.

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Re: 2018 Summer Draft Discussion
« Reply #74 on: 13 Jun 2018 5:20:54 PM »
Sorry for the hang up guys.  Missed Kower and then my computer decided it didn't like me for the last hour.  I've turned my pick in through PM to the rest of the committee so it can be fixed.  Since Kower is gone I'll go a little different with this pick:

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