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DMBO Hall of Fame?
« on: 16 Jan 2010 1:56:19 AM »
Considering how fast DMB and other baseball simulation leagues come and go, the DMBO has been around for some time now. So, do we have a DMBO Hall of Fame?

If not, I was thinking there should be one and I can prepare a page for it so we have a place to enshrine DMBO Hall of Famers. In my vision, the Hall of Fame would mimic actual requirements, but would involve a) only DMBO performance/statistics and b) the player only has to be retired one year (five years is way too long for our purposes).

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Re: DMBO Hall of Fame?
« Reply #1 on: 16 Jan 2010 9:29:58 AM »
I think Robb tried to get the HoF idea going a year or two ago, but the rest of us never got our act together.  At least that's the way I remember it.  After 8 good years and going strong, I think it makes sense.
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Re: DMBO Hall of Fame?
« Reply #2 on: 19 Jan 2010 10:33:46 AM »
I think we should attempt to have one.  I did in fact try to get one started after our 6th season, which would have been the first time that we had players that had played in our league for a minimum of 1 season, and further been retired for 5 seasons.  The only player that we, as an EC, thought was worth bringing for a vote was David Justice, and we kind of let it drop from there.  We never looked into it after seasons 7 or 8.

I would like to see a list generated every year of players that have played in the league and been retired for 5 seasons or more.  I think some committee - whether EC or something else - could go through the list and come forth with a ballot to the league as a whole.  From that point, use something similar to the HoF voting in place in the real world - a percentage threshold to get voted in, another to remain on the ballot.  Furthermore, I think the 10 years in the league rule should not count for the DMBO HoF until we get to a point that we've actually had 10 seasons.

I would love to see a list of players that played in seasons 1 and 2 then retired, and another list of players that played in seasons 1, 2, and 3, just to get an idea.  For example, there are some players like Tim Salmon who had great careers in DMBO, even if they only played for a few years, that might make our HoF, even if they can't make the "real" one.

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Re: DMBO Hall of Fame?
« Reply #3 on: 19 Jan 2010 10:39:22 AM »
I'd love to see the DMBO HoF incorporate pre-DMBO (i.e., before the inception of the league) stats for these players.  That would prevent the apples-to-oranges problem of guys like Tim Salmon who didn't play in DMBO for very long.  We could incorporate these stats, using the Lahman database, into the player "cards" as well, perhaps with an asterisk or italics to show they're real-life rather than DMBO stats.  That would allow us to track career records for our players better, and perhaps we could use those combined stats to generate all-time record lists for the website.

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« Reply #4 on: 19 Jan 2010 11:08:59 AM »
Actually, I personally don't agree with that.  I'd rather see pure DMBO data being used to make judgments.  If you're looking at a player who was only with our league for 3 years, you simply compare what he did to other players during the same time frame.  If he stands head and shoulders above, you have an argument.  Otherwise, you don't.  (Dave Justice.)

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Re: DMBO Hall of Fame?
« Reply #5 on: 19 Jan 2010 11:12:58 AM »
Okay, so this is clearly something we can and want to do. Great! I may go quiet on this for a bit while turning my attention to some Pirates free agency stuff, but it will not be forgotten or allowed to wither on the vine this time. I already added a dead link to the Statistics and History block on the portal page, so I am always reminded and will be sure to bring it up if discussion in this thread peters out at some point.
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Re: DMBO Hall of Fame?
« Reply #6 on: 19 Jan 2010 11:45:26 AM »
I'd love to see the DMBO HoF incorporate pre-DMBO (i.e., before the inception of the league) stats for these players.  That would prevent the apples-to-oranges problem of guys like Tim Salmon who didn't play in DMBO for very long.  We could incorporate these stats, using the Lahman database, into the player "cards" as well, perhaps with an asterisk or italics to show they're real-life rather than DMBO stats.  That would allow us to track career records for our players better, and perhaps we could use those combined stats to generate all-time record lists for the website.

You may or may not know, but this feature already exists.  On any player page, click "Include MLB Stats" link below the player's DMBO stats, and it will show the pre-2002 MLB stats and give totals for MLB, DMBO, and combined. 

Separately, to Robb's point, I have the DMBO win shares for each player for each year, so I can easily make a list of the top performers who ended their DMBO career after various years.
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Re: DMBO Hall of Fame?
« Reply #7 on: 19 Jan 2010 12:01:22 PM »
Here we go.  Third column is total DMBO win shares, fourth column was last year in league.  I'll print the top 20 for each final year up through 2008.


+------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| name             | pos  | tws  | ws/yr | lastyr |
+------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| Canseco, Jose    | lf   | 18.4 |  18.4 |   2002 |
| Valdez, Mario    | lf   | 17.6 |  17.6 |   2002 |
| Abernathy, Brent | lf   | 14.6 |  14.6 |   2002 |
| Kile, Darryl     | sp   | 14.4 |  14.4 |   2002 |
| Justice, David   | lf   | 13.6 |  13.6 |   2002 |
| Riggan, Jerrod   | mr   | 13.0 |  13.0 |   2002 |
| Shaw, Jeff       | cl   | 12.7 |  12.7 |   2002 |
| Garces, Rich     | mr   | 11.7 |  11.7 |   2002 |
| Burba, Dave      | mr   |  9.4 |   9.4 |   2002 |
| Santiago, Jose   | mr   |  8.6 |   8.6 |   2002 |
| Fryman, Travis   | 3b   |  8.6 |   8.6 |   2002 |
| Velarde, Randy   | 2b   |  8.5 |   8.5 |   2002 |
| Brown, Roosevelt | lf   |  8.5 |   8.5 |   2002 |
| Taubensee, Eddie | c    |  8.5 |   8.5 |   2002 |
| Perisho, Matt    | mr   |  8.0 |   8.0 |   2002 |
| Magnante, Mike   | mr   |  6.8 |   6.8 |   2002 |
| Sanchez, Jesus   | sp   |  6.1 |   6.1 |   2002 |
| Barnes, John     | rf   |  6.0 |   6.0 |   2002 |
| Mattes, Troy     | sp   |  5.9 |   5.9 |   2002 |
| Lowe, Sean       | mr   |  5.8 |   5.8 |   2002 |
+------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
+-------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| name              | pos  | tws  | ws/yr | lastyr |
+-------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| Sirotka, Mike     | sp   | 32.6 |  16.3 |   2003 |
| Ortiz, Jose       | 2b   | 30.4 |  15.2 |   2003 |
| Agbayani, Benny   | lf   | 29.2 |  14.6 |   2003 |
| Anderson, Matt    | mr   | 26.9 |  13.4 |   2003 |
| Sasaki, Kazuhiro  | cl   | 22.4 |  11.2 |   2003 |
| Halter, Shane     | 3b   | 22.1 |  11.1 |   2003 |
| Young, Kevin      | 1b   | 19.6 |   9.8 |   2003 |
| Williams, Matt    | 3b   | 19.2 |   9.6 |   2003 |
| Grace, Mark       | 1b   | 18.8 |   9.4 |   2003 |
| Rosado, Jose      | sp   | 17.6 |   8.8 |   2003 |
| Fiore, Tony       | mr   | 17.1 |   8.5 |   2003 |
| Fassero, Jeff     | mr   | 16.4 |   8.2 |   2003 |
| Alcantara, Izzy   | rf   | 15.7 |   7.9 |   2003 |
| Lloyd, Graeme     | mr   | 15.1 |   7.6 |   2003 |
| DeShields, Delino | 2b   | 14.8 |   7.4 |   2003 |
| Ritchie, Todd     | sp   | 14.7 |   7.3 |   2003 |
| Palmer, Dean      | 3b   | 14.4 |   7.2 |   2003 |
| Kinkade, Mike     | 3b   | 14.3 |  14.3 |   2003 |
| Henderson, Rickey | lf   | 14.3 |   7.1 |   2003 |
| Plesac, Dan       | mr   | 14.2 |   7.1 |   2003 |
+-------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
+------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| name             | pos  | tws  | ws/yr | lastyr |
+------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| McLemore, Mark   | 2b   | 48.5 |  16.2 |   2004 |
| Borchard, Joe    | rf   | 46.6 |  15.5 |   2004 |
| Segui, David     | dh   | 40.2 |  13.4 |   2004 |
| Vina, Fernando   | 2b   | 35.9 |  12.0 |   2004 |
| McGriff, Fred    | dh   | 34.9 |  11.6 |   2004 |
| Bordick, Mike    | ss   | 34.8 |  11.6 |   2004 |
| Petrick, Ben     | cf   | 34.2 |  11.4 |   2004 |
| Greer, Rusty     | lf   | 33.7 |  11.2 |   2004 |
| Perez, Timo      | lf   | 33.4 |  11.1 |   2004 |
| Ventura, Robin   | 1b   | 32.7 |  10.9 |   2004 |
| Jimenez, Jose    | mr   | 32.4 |  10.8 |   2004 |
| Finley, Chuck    | sp   | 31.5 |  10.5 |   2004 |
| White, Gabe      | mr   | 31.3 |  10.4 |   2004 |
| Meluskey, Mitch  | c    | 30.7 |  10.2 |   2004 |
| Nomo, Hideo      | sp   | 29.9 |  10.0 |   2004 |
| Smith, Bud       | sp   | 29.5 |   9.8 |   2004 |
| Vander Wal, John | rf   | 28.9 |   9.6 |   2004 |
| Sierra, Ruben    | dh   | 27.6 |   9.2 |   2004 |
| Beck, Rod        | mr   | 25.9 |   8.6 |   2004 |
| Neagle, Denny    | sp   | 25.8 |   8.6 |   2004 |
+------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
+--------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| name               | pos  | tws  | ws/yr | lastyr |
+--------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
| Martinez, Edgar    | dh   | 90.4 |  22.6 |   2005 |
| Burks, Ellis       | dh   | 83.2 |  20.8 |   2005 |
| Nen, Robb          | cl   | 69.2 |  17.3 |   2005 |
| Giambi, Jeremy     | lf   | 61.5 |  15.4 |   2005 |
| Alomar, Roberto    | 2b   | 59.2 |  14.8 |   2005 |
| Relaford, Desi     | 2b   | 51.6 |  12.9 |   2005 |
| Lankford, Ray      | lf   | 47.8 |  11.9 |   2005 |
| Ortiz, Russ        | sp   | 43.9 |  11.0 |   2005 |
| Estalella, Bobby   | c    | 42.2 |  10.6 |   2005 |
| Koch, Billy        | mr   | 42.1 |  10.5 |   2005 |
| Quantrill, Paul    | mr   | 39.8 |   9.9 |   2005 |
| Spooneybarger, Tim | mr   | 39.6 |   9.9 |   2005 |
| Bautista, Danny    | cf   | 38.8 |   9.7 |   2005 |
| Gutierrez, Ricky   | 2b   | 37.9 |   9.5 |   2005 |
| Santiago, Benito   | c    | 34.9 |   8.7 |   2005 |
| Larkin, Barry      | ss   | 32.9 |   8.2 |   2005 |
| Anderson, Brian    | sp   | 32.3 |   8.1 |   2005 |
| Hernandez, Carlos  | sp   | 30.9 |   7.7 |   2005 |
| D'Amico, Jeff      | sp   | 30.8 |   7.7 |   2005 |
| Hammonds, Jeffrey  | lf   | 30.2 |   7.6 |   2005 |
+--------------------+------+------+-------+--------+
+---------------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
| name                | pos  | tws   | ws/yr | lastyr |
+---------------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
| Walker, Larry       | rf   | 113.6 |  22.7 |   2006 |
| Bagwell, Jeff       | dh   |  94.6 |  18.9 |   2006 |
| Boone, Bret         | 2b   |  89.5 |  17.9 |   2006 |
| Palmeiro, Rafael    | 1b   |  87.9 |  17.6 |   2006 |
| Everett, Carl       | dh   |  79.3 |  15.9 |   2006 |
| Mueller, Bill       | 3b   |  78.5 |  15.7 |   2006 |
| Salmon, Tim         | rf   |  77.7 |  15.5 |   2006 |
| Gonzalez, Juan      | rf   |  76.2 |  15.2 |   2006 |
| Lidle, Cory         | sp   |  68.2 |  13.6 |   2006 |
| Brown, Kevin        | sp   |  65.3 |  13.1 |   2006 |
| Choi, Hee Seop      | 1b   |  62.6 |  12.5 |   2006 |
| Olerud, John        | 1b   |  58.0 |  11.6 |   2006 |
| Finley, Steve       | cf   |  57.6 |  11.5 |   2006 |
| Leiter, Al          | sp   |  55.8 |  11.2 |   2006 |
| Snow, J.T.          | 1b   |  54.1 |  10.8 |   2006 |
| Spivey, Junior      | 2b   |  54.0 |  10.8 |   2006 |
| Fullmer, Brad       | dh   |  53.8 |  10.8 |   2006 |
| Hollandsworth, Todd | lf   |  53.0 |  10.6 |   2006 |
| Worrell, Tim        | cl   |  51.3 |  10.3 |   2006 |
| Urbina, Ugueth      | mr   |  50.4 |  10.1 |   2006 |
+---------------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
+------------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
| name             | pos  | tws   | ws/yr | lastyr |
+------------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
| Williams, Bernie | rf   | 118.7 |  19.8 |   2007 |
| Nevin, Phil      | dh   | 101.5 |  16.9 |   2007 |
| Durazo, Erubiel  | 1b   |  94.9 |  15.8 |   2007 |
| Koskie, Corey    | 3b   |  89.4 |  14.9 |   2007 |
| Biggio, Craig    | 2b   |  83.3 |  13.9 |   2007 |
| Foulke, Keith    | mr   |  81.6 |  13.6 |   2007 |
| Wells, David     | sp   |  78.3 |  13.1 |   2007 |
| Miller, Wade     | sp   |  72.9 |  12.1 |   2007 |
| Burroughs, Sean  | 3b   |  68.0 |  11.3 |   2007 |
| Walker, Todd     | 1b   |  67.5 |  11.2 |   2007 |
| Lieberthal, Mike | c    |  67.4 |  11.2 |   2007 |
| White, Rondell   | lf   |  66.5 |  11.1 |   2007 |
| Thomson, John    | sp   |  65.3 |  10.9 |   2007 |
| Benson, Kris     | sp   |  62.6 |  10.4 |   2007 |
| Lawrence, Brian  | sp   |  61.6 |  10.3 |   2007 |
| Lopez, Javy      | c    |  61.4 |  10.2 |   2007 |
| Benitez, Armando | mr   |  60.3 |  10.1 |   2007 |
| Ortiz, Ramon     | mr   |  57.9 |   9.6 |   2007 |
| Kennedy, Joe     | sp   |  57.8 |  11.6 |   2007 |
| Redman, Mark     | sp   |  55.5 |  11.1 |   2007 |
+------------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
+-----------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
| name            | pos  | tws   | ws/yr | lastyr |
+-----------------+------+-------+-------+--------+
| Klesko, Ryan    | 1b   | 136.7 |  19.5 |   2008 |
| Sosa, Sammy     | dh   | 126.9 |  18.1 |   2008 |
| Giles, Marcus   | 2b   | 106.5 |  15.2 |   2008 |
| Clemens, Roger  | sp   | 104.3 |  14.9 |   2008 |
| Jones, Jacque   | rf   | 103.4 |  14.8 |   2008 |
| Lofton, Kenny   | cf   | 102.9 |  14.7 |   2008 |
| Green, Shawn    | rf   | 101.6 |  14.5 |   2008 |
| Ensberg, Morgan | 3b   | 100.1 |  14.3 |   2008 |
| Piazza, Mike    | dh   | 100.0 |  14.3 |   2008 |
| Casey, Sean     | 1b   |  89.7 |  12.8 |   2008 |
| Mulder, Mark    | sp   |  83.4 |  11.9 |   2008 |
| Kielty, Bobby   | lf   |  80.4 |  11.5 |   2008 |
| Wilson, Craig   | 1b   |  78.9 |  11.3 |   2008 |
| Bellhorn, Mark  | 3b   |  77.6 |  11.1 |   2008 |
| Wilkerson, Brad | rf   |  76.5 |  10.9 |   2008 |
| Valentin, Jose  | 2b   |  76.0 |  10.9 |   2008 |
| Gordon, Tom     | mr   |  75.0 |  10.7 |   2008 |
| Cruz, Jose      | lf   |  74.4 |  10.6 |   2008 |
| Kim, Byung-Hyun | sp   |  73.7 |  10.5 |   2008 |
| Maddux, Greg    | sp   |  71.9 |  10.3 |   2008 |
+-----------------+------+-------+-------+--------+

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« Reply #8 on: 19 Jan 2010 12:20:57 PM »
Above edited to add a win_shares per year column.
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