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Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Aaron A on 21 Feb 2007 7:23:02 AM
I like the Iwamura signing. Very low risk for a guy who I think will well outperform the price of his contract.

Side note the Twins may have Daisuke. It was painful to even place my initial bid for 16.6 mil I can't go higher for some one I hope is a stud, and by all accounts should be a stud, but 7 years is a long time.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 21 Feb 2007 8:39:42 AM
The players that received "bidding war" bids got some spectacular bumps, in my opinion.  There wasn't much messing around on those bids.   :D

It will be hard for the Iwamura contract to be bad at that price.  I usually avoid foreign players due to the risk, but for less than $1.5 million a year for 3 years, it will be hard for him to disappoint.  I mean - he's hit 30 or more home runs a year (in Japan) for the last 3 years.  He should be worth 20 to 25 home runs in our league.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 21 Feb 2007 8:50:18 AM
Very nice signing of Iwamura - I considered countering on him, but thought I needed a SP more than a 2B/3B.

Looks like I overbid on Cameron, but I'm glad to have him back. He sets up my outfield well defensively, and moving him from San Diego to Toronto should see a nice bump in his stats. Besides, the fans wanted him back, since he was a key piece of the champs :)

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Athletics GAT on 21 Feb 2007 9:16:42 AM
So far, the A's are getting smoked in the second tier.  I don't have any glaring need, but I would like to improve my depth at a couple of positions.  So far, no good.

I'll keep plugging!  I also like the Angels signing of Iwamura.  Although, I'm not sure where he's going to play.  I think it's likely that he'll qualify at 2B and 3B, but the Angels already have good young players at those positions (Uggla and Teahen).  Perhaps one of them can DH, though.

Their team is looking very dangerous in the AL West, as they have a number of young, very talented players in their lineup.  Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Mark Teixeira, Mark Teahen, et al. combine to form a lineup that may give the A's pause in 2007.  And...while none of the starting pitchers look to be ace material, I think the Angels may have the best SP depth in the entire league.  The value of that depth is that injuries are unlikely to be an issue.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Angels PH on 21 Feb 2007 11:04:01 AM
Thanks for the sim pat on the back.  Iwamura was my first chioce for this FA pool.  I know I have both Uggla nad Teahen, but Iwamura was more for next year and beyond.  I'm assuming that Teahan will be moved because of Gordon.  So I figured I would try and get a guy that I won't be overpaying for.  Plus, I have the fear that Iwamura will be the next Kaz Matsui.... if that happens it won't kill me in my pocket.  I'm still a small market team, until I get some winning season under my belt and my Cap is raise.  Unitl then I have to be very conscience of my payroll.

As for my pitching depth... that was my goal this year.  My big problem last year was my bullpen with the excpetion of Jenks.  This years it's a totally differnt story.  I've got 5 guys and maybe Satio I'm comfortable with (Duchsherer, Wainwright, Corriea, Carrasco, and Shields)  I know I couldn't afford an ace so I made soure I got the most for my money.  The way I see it five 2's and 3's are better then having 1 ace and four 4's & 5's.  I'm not sure how the season will pan out, but I hope I can at least contend in the west.  It's quickly becoming a very good division.  Not the pushover it's been in the last.  

I've only go 2 more positions to fill and my team is all set.  Everything after that will be gravy.

Good luck to eveyone
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Nationals JE on 21 Feb 2007 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: "Scot"

Looks like I overbid on Cameron, but I'm glad to have him back. He sets up my outfield well defensively, and moving him from San Diego to Toronto should see a nice bump in his stats. Besides, the fans wanted him back, since he was a key piece of the champs :)


I liked the Cameron signing. Your offer was high enough where it may have scared others away from entering a bidding war, but it's also a very reasonable contract.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Phillies TP on 21 Feb 2007 1:05:12 PM
The Phillies are ecstatic to announce the return of Curt Schilling to the City of Brotherly Love.

(http://ww1.sportsline.com/b/apphotos/Schilling12595.jpg)

Schilling will be the veteran anchoring a very promising young rotation, featuring Cole Hamels and Erik Bedard.  Schilling will be making $11.38M per year for the next two years.  While the veteran right-hander did not receive any other offers from baseball teams, he did have a sizable offer to become the ruler of the world of Everquest (where he spends his off-seasons):

(http://blogebrity.com/images/schilling-everquest.jpg)

Schilling's wife, Shonda, said that she encouraged her husband to take the Phillies' offer.  "We loved it in Philly, and besides, I was afraid of what he'd turn into if he started doing Everquest full-time."

(http://www.southparkstuff.com/images/stories/epiimgs/epi1008/epi1008img56.jpg)
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Orioles TK on 21 Feb 2007 1:18:35 PM
I hated the Cameron signing!!! :D

Any signings that help Scot are horrible!!!!

LOL
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 21 Feb 2007 1:40:14 PM
Some suprises from day 2....


Chris Duncan didn't get a counter bid.  I was sure he was going to get one... that's a heck of a signing.  

Kelvim Escobar was a heck of a signing given the current value of his caliber starting pitchers.


Marte, Hermanson (toot my own horn a bit), Ramirez and any other RP signed for less than 2mil is a good one to have.  I think there's a lack of great numbers in the RP department this year, and some teams might be filling more crucial holes while other teams are landing these guys.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 21 Feb 2007 1:44:44 PM
I'm not so sure about the Hermanson signing, Jared. After he missed basically all of last year with an injury, I don't think he'll project very well in 2007. And he hasn't caught on anywhere yet this spring - he could be out of the game altogether for the last 2 years of his contract. And considering he's had an ERA below 4 only once since the turn of the millenium, I just don't see the value there. Am I missing something?

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Braves GM on 21 Feb 2007 1:50:28 PM
Quote from: "Tom (Phillies)"
([url]http://ww1.sportsline.com/b/apphotos/Schilling12595.jpg[/url])


Who is that skinny guy impersonating Curt Schilling?  :D
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 21 Feb 2007 1:53:55 PM
Too bad for Curt - he'll have to get a bloody injury somewhere else to generate attention with his new team's uniforms.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 21 Feb 2007 2:13:17 PM
I haven't seen any eye-popping steals, but I also haven't seen any HORRIBLE contracts.   I'm surprised at the lack of agressiveness.  It seems that more GM's than ever are picking up their "fillers" first, and then coming back for the big guns on Day 2 or Day 3.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 21 Feb 2007 2:22:21 PM
Tier 2 is usually like that.  People tend to sit back and let someone else set the market on bigger name players.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Marlins JM on 21 Feb 2007 2:31:40 PM
Escobar's contract really was a bit more than I wanted to chew as a small market team, but felt it was a necessity to have a starter of his caliber anchor the staff of my very young ballclub.

The Devil Rays and I both went after him hard.

But at last the Marlins now have a bigger arm in the front of their rotation.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 21 Feb 2007 3:23:45 PM
Quote from: "Scot"
I'm not so sure about the Hermanson signing, Jared. After he missed basically all of last year with an injury, I don't think he'll project very well in 2007. And he hasn't caught on anywhere yet this spring - he could be out of the game altogether for the last 2 years of his contract. And considering he's had an ERA below 4 only once since the turn of the millenium, I just don't see the value there. Am I missing something?

Scot.


Herm's not great, however his three year split is 3.79... with a 2.87 as a reliever.  Over that time period he's 51 of 59 in save opportunities.  

While he may be a risk, if he ends up in the closer role somewhere, or has a good 2007, he'll be a major steal for the last two years.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 21 Feb 2007 3:26:43 PM
The thing that concerns me most about Hermanson is his 3 year split against lefties - they have an 807 OPS against him.  He should be a solid setup man, though.  Or worst case, a ROOGY.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Giants BW (Ret) on 21 Feb 2007 3:27:43 PM
I got one private question asking about extra bids showing up on the FA Stats display of the most recent day's bids.

When a bidding war is concluded, an EC member enters the winning contract.  The system puts that in as a bid which is immediately awarded to the winning team.  That final contract bid shows up as part of "yesterday's" group of bids, even though it happened today....that way, it doesn't get re-processed again during the daily midnight crunching.

Sorry if that's confusing.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 21 Feb 2007 3:56:16 PM
Quote from: "Robb"
The thing that concerns me most about Hermanson is his 3 year split against lefties - they have an 807 OPS against him.  He should be a solid setup man, though.  Or worst case, a ROOGY.


Yeah, I'm planning on using him as a back up closer/righty set up man.  My thought on the length is he's had success as a closer before, and if he can come back... he's only 34... I'd be suprised if he doesn't come back.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Yanks GM on 22 Feb 2007 8:00:41 AM
Well got the top RP I wanted in T2, might have over paid a little bit, but as bad as I needed some pen help it had to be done.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 22 Feb 2007 8:46:02 AM
I love the Aaron Rowand signing - he was #2 on my list of guys to go after for CF. Signing him that cheap is a great deal.

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 22 Feb 2007 8:50:12 AM
I almost countered him, but decided the "hated" Cardinals shouldn't be getting by without some resistance!  Unfortunately I was out resisted.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 22 Feb 2007 8:52:00 AM
Gee, thanks.  Moises Alou's negotiations are quickly becomming a blood bath.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 22 Feb 2007 9:00:57 AM
:)  No problem Robb... the past four years of being creamed by the Cardinals has created a little bit of (well deserved) hostility.  LOL... that, and Alou is probably the best hitter in tier 2.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 22 Feb 2007 9:05:32 AM
In my personal opinion, Alou was probably the 3rd best hitter available in all of FA (behind Thomas and Dunn.)  That, combined with the Padres and Cardinals having a combined $70M to spend and no other major players left in the market is making things interesting.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 22 Feb 2007 9:07:11 AM
Alou's agent must be licking his chops right now.  Two of the "richest" teams in the league begging for his services.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Jon(White Sox) on 22 Feb 2007 10:14:03 AM
The Rowand deal was a nice one.  Getting Jon Lieber for 2 years at $2.3 million looks very reasonable for the Indians--- and they might be adding Greg Maddux if the bidding war goes their way.

I wonder how the Matsuzaka bidding war is turning out...

Jon
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Giants BW (Ret) on 22 Feb 2007 10:45:24 AM
FWIW, here's a snapshot of FA spending (Tier 1 & 2) by division as of this morning, both in terms of salary and total contract:

Code: [Select]

+------------+-------------+-------------------+
| division   | sum(salary) | sum(years*salary) |
+------------+-------------+-------------------+
| AL East    |      48.591 |  200.032001256943 |
| AL Central |      43.271 |  54.0920009613037 |
| AL West    |      23.510 |  78.8800021409988 |
| NL East    |      41.280 |  109.709999084473 |
| NL Central |      63.393 |  189.003997564316 |
| NL West    |      47.580 |  100.105000734329 |
+------------+-------------+-------------------+
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: jim(d-rays) on 22 Feb 2007 1:01:33 PM
I'm not 100% sold on Rowand after his last season but I thought it was a low risk chance. Kinda surprised noone outbidded me for it, but a 93 and 87 ops+ last two seasons doesn't really scream "sign me"

I guess that signing makes up a little for the overbid on Loretta (and I still don't mind the Schmidt signing although it would have been nice to outbid for Escobar, who I think has a chance to be something special over the next several years---If I had the finances I would have matched the Marlins offer for five years)
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 22 Feb 2007 1:06:45 PM
The Mussina signing gives the White Sox a scary-good rotation.   They've had a nice off-season
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 22 Feb 2007 6:04:50 PM
Quote from: "jim(d-rays)"
I'm not 100% sold on Rowand after his last season but I thought it was a low risk chance. Kinda surprised noone outbidded me for it, but a 93 and 87 ops+ last two seasons doesn't really scream "sign me"

I guess that signing makes up a little for the overbid on Loretta (and I still don't mind the Schmidt signing although it would have been nice to outbid for Escobar, who I think has a chance to be something special over the next several years---If I had the finances I would have matched the Marlins offer for five years)


I think what makes Rowand a good signing is his crazy good split stats.  Find a decent platoon partner, and you've got a monster in CF.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Nationals JE on 22 Feb 2007 8:23:06 PM
Big money for Hank Blalock, who's been mediocre the last two seasons.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Aaron A on 22 Feb 2007 9:01:47 PM
Quote from: "Jason (Nationals)"
Big money for Hank Blalock, who's been mediocre the last two seasons.


It is a lot of money but from all accounts he's been working hard all winter to get back to where he was a few years ago and I'm hoping he gets it turned around... he is after all only 26.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Orioles TK on 23 Feb 2007 7:55:57 AM
I've got to say, the Orioles are doing a terrible job in FA.  We have not judged the market well at all in our bids.

Tracy
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 23 Feb 2007 9:54:44 AM
I like the Capps signing by the Rangers - decent price, and a fair bit of upside there. Looks like the Rangers and Indians stole my wish list :)

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Athletics GAT on 23 Feb 2007 9:58:13 AM
I'm with the O's.  I really haven't done a good job in the second tier this year.  I have yet to make a bid that "wins".  Yikes! :shock:
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Orioles TK on 23 Feb 2007 11:06:20 AM
I like the signing also.  My original plan yesterday was to bid on Capps, but felt like I needed to go after Glavine to get the SP I think I still need.

STILL being the key word!!!arghhh

Quote from: "Scot"
I like the Capps signing by the Rangers - decent price, and a fair bit of upside there. Looks like the Rangers and Indians stole my wish list :)

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: jim(d-rays) on 24 Feb 2007 2:25:36 AM
ok, what am I missing? why was casey blake so 'easy' to sign? yes I know his age and he isn't a long term guy but still I really didn't expect to get him for that little money. Am I missing something or did he slip through the cracks?
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 26 Feb 2007 9:29:18 AM
Blake is a fine player, and was one of the top 5 1st baseman available in FA, by my accounting methods.  But on the flip side - he's only projected to have an OPS of around 790 this year according to the sources I use.

With that being said, $2.5M for a solid platoon player at 1st base isn't bad.  I personally didn't have much need for one, considering my starter at the position.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Marlins JM on 26 Feb 2007 12:25:07 PM
Your guy is really fluky Robb..

I think he is a flash in the pan...

I really think you should just dump him to me. I've got a few 3rd Round picks this year. I may be able to give you both.

I'll go ahead and put it in the trade desk, just click the approve button.

Oh.. and seeing i'm small market, could you pick up about 10 Million of his salary ?
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 26 Feb 2007 4:15:00 PM
OK.  Trade is approved.  Nice doing business with you, mang.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Yanks GM on 27 Feb 2007 8:00:03 AM
Was happy to get Coste for the price i got him at, i figured for sure would get into a bidding war for him.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Phillies TP on 27 Feb 2007 8:54:02 AM
I hope you're right on Coste's potential, but I'm a bit skeptical - seems the Phils are too, since he'll be fighting for a general utility role rather than serving as the #1 or #2 catcher (Barajas & Ruiz).  He'd be a heck of a player if the second half of last season is his true talent level, though.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 27 Feb 2007 9:21:50 AM
I was tempted to bid on Coste, but decided to go with Alfonzo instead since I'm worried about D up the middle, and I think Alfonzo is better defensively than Coste. Besides, Ekliezers overall track record (majors and minors) over the last 3 years is just about as good as Coste's, and I'm only on the hook for 1 year if he does crash and burn. Given the lack of good available Cs, though, they're both decent signings.

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Rangers GM on 27 Feb 2007 2:20:10 PM
There are 2 explanations for Coste's year. 1 is fluke and the other rhymes with Hugs.

He'd probably be an upgrade for me.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 27 Feb 2007 4:31:53 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the sim rates 33 year old rookies.


however, at 1.5mil, it is DEFINATELY worth the risk.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 28 Feb 2007 8:26:26 AM
Love the Eckstein signing - he's a bargain at that price.

I'm starting to worry about the DRays - it seems every day they make a good signing.

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Orioles TK on 28 Feb 2007 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: "Scot"
Love the Eckstein signing - he's a bargain at that price.

I'm starting to worry about the DRays - it seems every day they make a good signing.

Scot.


I'm worrying about the whole AL East.  I can't get the high bid on anyone it seems.  Looks like I'm just unwilling to pull the trigger and give anyone the money it is taking to win the bids.  I was close on Downs but just not getting it done this free agency.  Not a good start to the 07' season for the O's.  Looks like we may be in for a rough season.

Tracy
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Marlins JM on 28 Feb 2007 11:54:16 AM
Altough I just won the Bid on Downs... I've been getting HAMMERED in Free Agency this season... I think it has to do with my hesitance to get involoved in Bidding wars... I hate them...

It's cost me on quite a few players that I had earmarked, and because of it, many good signings have happened for other owners.

So I have no idea what is a better strategy..

Being the aggressor to get the first bid in...
Or biding you time and counter striking when the first days bid has gone.

I get too caught up in the fact that if you "counter strike", you stand a better chance of getting nothing for 2 days worth of work than originating a bid... but that is just me... (and like I said, I've been getting hammered)
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: jim(d-rays) on 28 Feb 2007 12:01:06 PM
I've been pleasantly surprised with my bids so far.

Loretta, Eckstein, Hendrickson, Blake and Rowand for less than 9mil total.... almost everyone figures to have significant playing time.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 28 Feb 2007 12:18:47 PM
Quote
I get too caught up in the fact that if you "counter strike", you stand a better chance of getting nothing for 2 days worth of work than originating a bid... but that is just me... (and like I said, I've been getting hammered)


First off, let me say that I'm NOT good in FA, which is why the last couple of years I've tried to have my team mostly assembled before FA starts, and then just fill a few holes.

But I have to say that I prefer the "counter-strike" option - you let someone else set the market for the player. If that bid comes in below what you're willing to pay, you can counter-bid and get into a bidding war (or if the original team has a boatload of cash and is likely to be able to outbid you, you canm go looking elsewhere). If the initial bid comes in above what you'd like to pay, you can move on to another target without wasting a bid.

When you do make a bid, though, I think you've usually got to make a bid that you're sure is going to be high bid for the day. I probably overbid on the 2 FAs that i have signed, but they're both reasonable contracts, short-term, and I was confident that I'd have high bid for both of them. Cameron and Alfonzo for ~$10.5M helps me a whole lot more than simply having the $10.5M would given the declining talent available.

But, as I mentioned, I'm not particularly good at FA, so you might not want to listen to me :)

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Yanks GM on 28 Feb 2007 4:11:54 PM
My FA has been hit and miss, missed out on the DH's I wanted, and a few RP, but the ones I have gone after i have over paid on a couple and got solid deals on a couple, just hope have upgraded my pen enough to keep me in the AL east Race.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Orioles TK on 1 Mar 2007 11:25:35 AM
The Sim O's have decided to follow the real-life O's and only sign RP's for the rest of FA!!!

Atleast it feels like that, If the FA period is any indication, the O's GM is blowing the season for the team before it even starts.

I've got to say congrats to the rest of the AL East as they have spent their money well and it should be interesting to see how the race turns out.  I'm not confident in my O's at all right now.

They will hit, but the rotation bothers me.

Tracy
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 1 Mar 2007 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: "Orioles GM"
The Sim O's have decided to follow the real-life O's and only sign RP's for the rest of FA!!!

Atleast it feels like that, If the FA period is any indication, the O's GM is blowing the season for the team before it even starts.

I've got to say congrats to the rest of the AL East as they have spent their money well and it should be interesting to see how the race turns out.  I'm not confident in my O's at all right now.

They will hit, but the rotation bothers me.

Tracy


Your rotation isn't flashy, but it looks pretty solid from top to bottom.  Mine's way too top-heavy.

Your infield defense might hurt the staff a little bit, but as you said, you should score some runs!

I agree with you that the rest of the AL East has had a productive off-season.......... not only through free agency but also via trades.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Orioles TK on 1 Mar 2007 4:21:52 PM
Quote from: "Socnorb11"
 
Your rotation isn't flashy, but it looks pretty solid from top to bottom.  Mine's way too top-heavy.

Your infield defense might hurt the staff a little bit, but as you said, you should score some runs!

I agree with you that the rest of the AL East has had a productive off-season.......... not only through free agency but also via trades.


Well, hopefully the trade I just made w/ strengthen the rotation by moving a couple of guys down the line.

Tracy
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 1 Mar 2007 4:27:23 PM
Quote from: "Orioles GM"
Quote from: "Socnorb11"
 
Your rotation isn't flashy, but it looks pretty solid from top to bottom.  Mine's way too top-heavy.

Your infield defense might hurt the staff a little bit, but as you said, you should score some runs!

I agree with you that the rest of the AL East has had a productive off-season.......... not only through free agency but also via trades.


Well, hopefully the trade I just made w/ strengthen the rotation by moving a couple of guys down the line.

Tracy


If you wanted Maddux, why not just sign him, though?   You had plenty of cash.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Athletics GAT on 1 Mar 2007 4:36:26 PM
I'm guessing that Tracy was going after different starting pitchers than Maddux, but just came up short in the bidding.

It wasn't the best option in the world, because he gave up a couple of picks, but adding Maddux definitely solidifies his rotation:

Bonderman
Penny
Maddux
Suppan
Lowry

It's not flashy, but it's definitely solid.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: M's GM on 1 Mar 2007 4:39:21 PM
That sucks, I gave up on Traschel cause I thought I had a deal for Maddux.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Athletics GAT on 1 Mar 2007 4:39:32 PM
As for Trachsel...it's definitely more than I wanted to pay, but it's only for this year, so it won't handicap my future at all.  And...after several failed attempts, I finally got the 6th starter I wanted to protect from injury.

I needed depth to keep up with the Angels, and now I won't be AS concerned if someone goes down.
Title: Maddux
Post by: Diamondbacks LL on 1 Mar 2007 5:05:58 PM
Arizona feels like he paid a lot for a one year rental player. For a 1, 2 and Danks, I would have gave him Garland.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 1 Mar 2007 5:21:13 PM
Quote from: "sabers35"
I'm guessing that Tracy was going after different starting pitchers than Maddux, but just came up short in the bidding.

It wasn't the best option in the world, because he gave up a couple of picks, but adding Maddux definitely solidifies his rotation:

Bonderman
Penny
Maddux
Suppan
Lowry

It's not flashy, but it's definitely solid.



Oh, I don't disagree.  It's a definite upgrade, and not a bad rotation at all.  I would have hesitated to give up the picks for a guy that was available to anyone that wanted him a week ago.  

Tracy's a good GM, though....... his record speaks for itself.   I wasn't trying to imply that it was a stupid move............   just not the type that I would make (which may be why I was on the ouside of the playoffs looking in last year  :lol: ).
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 1 Mar 2007 5:25:47 PM
Quote
Oh, I don't disagree. It's a definite upgrade, and not a bad rotation at all. I would have hesitated to give up the picks for a guy that was available to anyone that wanted him a week ago.


I can relate to Tracy. I feel that he and I are locked in a bad case of mutually assured destruction. We're both trying so hard to be the top team NOW that we've massively hocked the future to do so, and while the 2 of us have been banging heads, the Yankees have quietly assembled what might be the best team in the east, and the Red Sox and DRays have greatly improved as well. The AL East is going to be a bloodbath in 2007, and it could well mark the beginning of a new world order in the east. I think the Orioles and Blue Jays are going to fall fast and hard, with the only question being whether it'll be this year, or next year, or maybe the year after.

On the other hand, pennants fly forever. So if you are in a position to win now, you're almost obligated to take it.

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: jim(d-rays) on 1 Mar 2007 5:42:43 PM
Quote from: "Scot"
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Oh, I don't disagree. It's a definite upgrade, and not a bad rotation at all. I would have hesitated to give up the picks for a guy that was available to anyone that wanted him a week ago.


I can relate to Tracy. I feel that he and I are locked in a bad case of mutually assured destruction. We're both trying so hard to be the top team NOW that we've massively hocked the future to do so, and while the 2 of us have been banging heads, the Yankees have quietly assembled what might be the best team in the east, and the Red Sox and DRays have greatly improved as well. The AL East is going to be a bloodbath in 2007, and it could well mark the beginning of a new world order in the east. I think the Orioles and Blue Jays are going to fall fast and hard, with the only question being whether it'll be this year, or next year, or maybe the year after.

On the other hand, pennants fly forever. So if you are in a position to win now, you're almost obligated to take it.

Scot.



that quote about the yankees is pretty accurate, I just looked at their roster yesterday and couldn't believe some of the players on there, I know with their payroll they could afford to take on guys overpaid contracts, but outside of shannon stewart and maybe Vlad I don't see ridiculous contracts.

rotation of Carpenter, Webb, Oswalt, Reyes and woody williams (costing roughly 13.5mil)

add in an everyday lineup of Howard, Polanco, Furcal, Mora, Vlad, Holliday and Stewart (which is eating a lot of payroll but they can afford it) and you have a pretty strong(understatement) team. And outside of some of the pitchers, I pretty much missed most of those acquisitions.

Looks like I'll be once again in 4th or 5th place.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 1 Mar 2007 5:47:43 PM
My pitching isn't anywhere near as good as the Yankees, but I'm hoping that I'll more than make up that difference with the offense. The Yankees lineup is 2 stars (Guerrero and Howard) and a bunch of decent (not good, not bad) hitters. Offensively, I'm weak behind the plate, and only mediocre offensively in the middle infield, but I think I'll have better-than-average to excellent hitting everywhere else (Drew, Bonds, Konerko, Branyan, Cameron in the heart of the order). Lots of high scoring games in Toronto this year, I think.

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Orioles TK on 1 Mar 2007 6:14:16 PM
When it came time to bid on Maddux(trying to remember my days) I believe I had the choice of Maddux or Glavine.  I saw the day 1 bid on Maddux being low and figured he would get a decent counter and my bidding record has not looked good this offseason so I went after Glavine.  I was hoping Glavine would also have either no offers the next day or have a similar offer to Maddux.  I missed and then again missed on the 2nd day of Glavine.  The only SP I was able to get a high bid on was Igawa on day 1 and then felt that the bidding war went to high for me.  Hindsight being what it is I would have stayed in the bidding war a little longer but....

I didn't like any of my options for my #5 SP that I had in house and felt I had to look outside the organization.  I feel I overpaid, but... as Scot said I feel I have 07' and maybe 08' to still make a run at it and then I may be in full rebuild(hate to say that).  I'm hoping that when it happens I don't hit rock bottom but we will see.  

Maybe I can pull off what Doug did w/ LA and be right back in it.  I'm amazed at what he has done w/ his team considering he was selling at midseason last year.

Tracy
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 1 Mar 2007 6:26:33 PM
I could see saying he overpaid if I hadn't sent 6.25mil with Maddux.  But, if you look at it like I "bought" one of the picks for 6.25mil (over paid) then it's just Maddux for Fields and a pick.  


I think it's an even deal where both teams get what they need at the moment.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 1 Mar 2007 6:28:43 PM
Quote from: "M's GM"
That sucks, I gave up on Traschel cause I thought I had a deal for Maddux.


I made a counter to your offer, however, you were asking me to include a pick in the deal.  The counter I sent you wasn't very close to the deal you sent, and assumed you wouldn't accept.  The Orioles original offer was much closer to what I was looking for.  

Anyhow, sorry if you felt used.  But, when there's no done deal, I have to take what's best for the team.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: jim(d-rays) on 1 Mar 2007 6:36:05 PM
Quote from: "Scot"
My pitching isn't anywhere near as good as the Yankees, but I'm hoping that I'll more than make up that difference with the offense. The Yankees lineup is 2 stars (Guerrero and Howard) and a bunch of decent (not good, not bad) hitters. Offensively, I'm weak behind the plate, and only mediocre offensively in the middle infield, but I think I'll have better-than-average to excellent hitting everywhere else (Drew, Bonds, Konerko, Branyan, Cameron in the heart of the order). Lots of high scoring games in Toronto this year, I think.

Scot.


You don't think of Holliday as a star? 139 OPS+ last year, 114 year before going into his 27 age season? sure he has some risk with both Polanco and Mora having down years last year but still should both post above average(relative to position) ops. Agreed your offense is better and since this is a sim health issues that plague Bonds, Drew, Branyan have a lot less chance of affecting them
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Angels PH on 1 Mar 2007 9:39:00 PM
Quote from: "sabers35"
As for Trachsel...it's definitely more than I wanted to pay, but it's only for this year, so it won't handicap my future at all.  And...after several failed attempts, I finally got the 6th starter I wanted to protect from injury.

I needed depth to keep up with the Angels, and now I won't be AS concerned if someone goes down.


For what I've heard you have had a very strong grasp on this division for a long time.  I'm just as nervous about you and the Mariners.  I might have depth, but you certainly have the big horses that can each win 15-20 this year.  I think it will be a dog fight this year no matter what.  I just have to hope that I made the moves that will help more then hurt.

As for the Maddox deal I thought it was a good one.  He's a great #5 (thats already paid for) that rounds out that rotation very well.   The pirates got the picks....I'm not high on Banks, but he basically got 3 players for Cash.  Good deal for both teams... they both got what they needed.  Hell, I was thinking about offering up the same deal for Hoffman, until I realized I don't really have room.

As for Holiday he's a great player and should produce, but I'm not sure he's a star.  Yes, he had a great season and wil produce nicly in sim this year, but his K to walk ratio scares me, plus that fact he never really produced unitl he got to coors.  I would still love him on my team, but I felt that Teixeira should be the better player going forward..
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 1 Mar 2007 9:40:54 PM
The A's have had the most wins in the AL every year of our league, and if I'm not mistaken, they've only not been in first place for a total of 1 week over the past 5 seasons.

So.....yes, the A's have had a strangle hold and then some!
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Angels PH on 1 Mar 2007 9:44:18 PM
Quote from: "Robb"
The A's have had the most wins in the AL every year of our league, and if I'm not mistaken, they've only not been in first place for a total of 1 week over the past 5 seasons.

So.....yes, the A's have had a strangle hold and then some!


Maybe the Mariners and I will knock them off the top spotfor 2 weeks this year!!!  You have to start somewhere.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 1 Mar 2007 9:51:43 PM
His competition appears to be getting there.  Heck, with the blood-letting I'm expecting in the AL East, you never know - a wild card could come out of the West.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Athletics GAT on 2 Mar 2007 8:09:51 AM
I think there are a few teams throughout the AL that are making a big push to be in the playoff mix this year.

I really thought the Angels would be competitive last year, but they ran into a ton of bad luck.  This year, I think we'll have an all-out pennant race.  The Mariners, with a couple of breaks, could also be in the mix.

I'll tell you...it's fun spending so much time in first place, but it can become a bit monotonous at times too.  Each year, I've ended up dozing through the last couple of months of the regular season just waiting for the playoffs.

I think it will be more fun to be involved in a pennant race.  I've really spent this offseason trying to match some of the strength that the Angels have at certain positions.  I've already mentioned the signing of a 6th starter...and the Stephen Drew deal was important to me because the Angels have such a strong young infield (Teixeira, Uggla, H. Ramirez, Teahen).

One never knows what might happen though.  I really thought the Yankees had a nice roster last year, but too many players underperformed.  This year, they look really tough again...and it better pan out, because they're going to lose a big part of that talent base to free agency after this season.

Good luck to all!
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: M's GM on 2 Mar 2007 8:22:03 AM
Quote from: "Pirates"
Quote from: "M's GM"
That sucks, I gave up on Traschel cause I thought I had a deal for Maddux.


I made a counter to your offer, however, you were asking me to include a pick in the deal.  The counter I sent you wasn't very close to the deal you sent, and assumed you wouldn't accept.  The Orioles original offer was much closer to what I was looking for.  

Anyhow, sorry if you felt used.  But, when there's no done deal, I have to take what's best for the team.


No problem, there is no way I could have given you the same deal he did.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Blue Jays SH on 2 Mar 2007 11:27:07 AM
I was happy to get Phelps back. He's fallen on soem hard times in real life after a promising beginning to his career. But he had a pretty impressive season in AAA last year, including absolutely killing LHP. I was looking for a platoon partner for Ryan Church, and I think Phelps should do pretty well in that role. And the fans in Toronto are happy to have Phelps back, since he was a key part to the 2003 and 2004 AL champions.

Looks like we're all scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find some hidden gems. The end of tier 2 is near, I think. While I didn't get all of the guys I wanted, I'm happy with how it went, overall.

How long until the season starts? :)

Scot.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Yanks GM on 2 Mar 2007 12:50:19 PM
sabers35 is 100% correct, if the Yanks don't perform very well this year i am screwed.  Cause my top 2 in my rotation will both be gone at the end of the year and considering they are barely making 10mil between them, we all know I won't even be able to sign just one of them for that amount...so if I don't do very well, going to be in some trouble there.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Marlins JM on 2 Mar 2007 7:27:02 PM
It's going to be interesting this time next year...
Not couting LTC's which are about to go out soon, it seems that the majority of the teams in our league are going to lose 10 or more players due to contracts expiring.

So maybe it won't be as bad for teams like the Yankees as we think. I think this year, the FA crops were very thin, where as next year, they could be deeper. I don't know about the "top end" players, but there may be a surplus of mid tier players that seemed to get a premium price this season.

I do know that I spent 1 Million dollars on Jamie Moyer this time last season on a 1 year deal, and this year, he went for 6, so it was definately a players market. Maybe with so many teams needing so many players next season, that we will see these players priced at a lesser value.

Anyway.. that is what I'm hoping seeing I will basically have the same roster next year as this :)
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 5 Mar 2007 8:03:25 AM
Quote from: "LAAngels GM"


As for the Maddox deal I thought it was a good one.  He's a great #5 (thats already paid for) that rounds out that rotation very well.   The pirates got the picks....I'm not high on Banks, but he basically got 3 players for Cash.  Good deal for both teams... they both got what they needed.  Hell, I was thinking about offering up the same deal for Hoffman, until I realized I don't really have room.


I'm not going to say he's a future ace or anything like that, but he's a much better pitcher than his ERA shows.  In the minor leagues he's never had a WHIP over 1.28... his career average is 1.13.  He gives up too many HR's, but if coaches can fix that, he has a solid K/9 ratio at 8.  He doesn't walk batters at all, and he's very close to being MLB ready.

Anyhow, was just saying that I'm a fan of Banks, and don't be suprised if he turns into something worth while.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 5 Mar 2007 9:37:37 PM
I just want to make a comment on the Hoffman move.  


It wasn't exactly what I was planning on, however, I didn't have to cover salary.  I like Josh Anderson more than I should... he probably maxes out at Willy Tavares (which is who he's compared to all the time).  The Pirates are in full blown rebuild mode, and had very little use for Hoffman.  I don't think he would've earned me a supplemental pick, since his winshares won't be nearly as high playing on the Pirates... (wouldn't have pitched much)


Anyhow, I like the deal for both team again, and good luck to the Dodgers.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Giants BW (Ret) on 10 Mar 2007 10:18:12 PM
Pretty strage that we had three players close in one day who weren't rated to play: Hideo Nomo, Gape Kaplar, and Aquillino Lopez
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Marlins JM on 11 Mar 2007 3:39:15 PM
Quote from: "Giants"
Pretty strage that we had three players close in one day who weren't rated to play: Hideo Nomo, Gape Kaplar, and Aquillino Lopez


Yeah.. I'm sick about that.. it was a huge mistake on my part.. I had a server crash in Tampa and was working 4 straight 18 hour days.. I didn't want to lose out on a FA and in a blearing 3:00 a.m. web session, I added him thinking he pitched in 2006 (Obviously, before the disk was available)

That is going to end up killing me.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Aaron A on 11 Mar 2007 6:53:54 PM
It doesn't so much hurt me as much as it just kinda sucks.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 11 Mar 2007 8:19:44 PM
Quote from: "Aaron A"
It doesn't so much hurt me as much as it just kinda sucks.


Same here... i kinda wanted his platoon.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 13 Mar 2007 10:57:30 PM
Something I noticed was Chris Duncan was rated as AV in left and in right...


I was thinking PR possibly FR
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 14 Mar 2007 7:17:07 AM
Can anybody explain why Aaron Sele isn't on the disk?   Or am I blind?
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 14 Mar 2007 7:46:01 AM
He's on the disk... 4.67era in 3 starts
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 14 Mar 2007 8:27:27 AM
Quote from: "Pirates"
Something I noticed was Chris Duncan was rated as AV in left and in right...


I was thinking PR possibly FR


While is range is average (which is certainly debatable), his error rate is 228.  Average is 100.  

In other words - that's horrible.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Pirates AR on 14 Mar 2007 8:33:40 AM
Ahhh... hadn't noticed that.  :)  makes a little more sense.
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 14 Mar 2007 8:37:22 AM
Quote from: "Pirates"
He's on the disk... 4.67era in 3 starts


So I am blind.   :oops:
Title: Chris Duncan
Post by: Diamondbacks LL on 14 Mar 2007 8:39:23 AM
Lets leave Chris Duncan alone. For anyone who has never been to spring training, it is pretty cool.

Larry Linke
Arizona Diamondbacks
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Robb on 14 Mar 2007 8:46:20 AM
No one wants Chris Duncan to succeed (in the real world) more than me.  I hope you have a 45 home run guy on your hands in the 2008 simulation  :D
Title: Tier 2 signings discussion
Post by: Indians RH (Ret) on 14 Mar 2007 8:57:26 AM
Quote from: "Robb"
No one wants Chris Duncan to succeed (in the real world) more than me.  I hope you have a 45 home run guy on your hands in the 2008 simulation  :D



I only ran a couple of sims, but DMB software didn't seem very kind to the real-life Cardinals.    :evil: